Hanging

[Waikiki]

One question: when someone is strangled by hands they seem to lose consciousness and resistance relatively quickly so I'm thinking that the tightness around the neck is key if you want to avoid pain to the victim. I saw a video of two gay teens hanged for getting caught and they were hanged by the hoisting method and they were kicking and buckling all the way up and then some, so I'm thinking if you wanted a humane execution you'd need more compression around the neck than just the weight of your own body.

I've also heard that in WWII the Germans hanged traitors using a piano wire and those victims were usually filmed; the description was called a 'rope dance'. I'm thinking that the thickness of the noose probably doesn't change the compression of the arteries.

So unless I'm already turned on by the idea of being hanged, or I don't know already know that I can be released from the noose can be released if the pain is too intense I'd be too scared to have a hard on and really enjoy the real thing. Although it would probably be intensely erotic if it's been an erotic fantasy if you've been horny for it all you're life and you really want it.

If I was sentenced to death by hanging I'd want a scaffold high drop and drop as far as possible - 10 to 15 feet to be certain the noose tightens as much as it can so that the blood supply is as constricted as possible to lose consciousness ASAP. I'd also hold my breath so I had as little 'fresh air' in my lungs which would make unconsciousness as soon as possible. And I'm prefer that my wrists and feet were free so I could thrash and buckle to also consume as much oxygenated blood to reduce the blood going directly to my brain. And no hood.

 

[deaddirty]

A drop of 10-15 feet would probably pull your head straight off! Happens - there's at least one vid of it kicking round on here somewhere.

 

[Waikiki]

A drop of 10-15 feet would probably pull your head straight off! Happens - there's at least one vid of it kicking round on here somewhere.

That's interesting! So how do hangmen decide how far to make the hanged guy drop. I guess it would probably depend on how long and thick his neck muscles are, plus his body weight. If the executioner wants to drop the guy to snap his neck it would obviously be a longer distance for a skinny lean guy with a pencil neck than a body builder...there must be a formula to avoid ripping off his head but certain to snap it.

 

[sunray]

For British hangings the Home Office produced a Table of Drops to be adopted by hangmen. Obviously if there were exceptional circumstances, the the hangman could use his initiative. If the drop was too short, then the prisoner just strangled to death. If the drop was too long, then his head was torn off. There are some interesting pics around of a Kuwaiti hanging where the prisoner's head was torn from his shoulders and the blood was spirting out before he hit the ground. Information on drop tables is available at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Table_of_DropsBritain

 

[sunray]

Sorry, correct Link is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Table_of_Drops

 

[hangedguy]

There was a good story in "The Hanging Tree" by V.A.C. Gatrell. A great history of English hangings. One hangman had executed a man by short drop and immediately left. He somehow managed to lift his feet out of the trap, get them under him and stand straddling the trap. They had to go get the hangman and he came back and and hanged him again, "and he gurgled his way to eternity".

That book is full of great accounts of real hangings and the crowds. I highly recommend it. You never can tell about some of the story's. That one above is suspicious. You'd think that even if that was true, the hanged man would still be choking, having no way to loosen the noose once he'd temporarily saved himself. Then again, with the thick ropes they used, he may not have hanged and struggled long enough to cause the noose to tighten all the way.

 

[sunray]

There was a good story in "The Hanging Tree" by V.A.C. Gatrell. A great history of English hangings. One hangman had executed a man by short drop and immediately left. He somehow managed to lift his feet out of the trap, get them under him and stand straddling the trap. They had to go get the hangman and he came back and and hanged him again, "and he gurgled his way to eternity".

That book is full of great accounts of real hangings and the crowds. I highly recommend it. You never can tell about some of the story's. That one above is suspicious. You'd think that even if that was true, the hanged man would still be choking, having no way to loosen the noose once he'd temporarily saved himself. Then again, with the thick ropes they used, he may not have hanged and struggled long enough to cause the noose to tighten all the way.

"The Hanging Tree: Execution and the English People 1770-1868". Looks (and sounds very interesting), but I've just had a search of Amazon and it is VERY expensive - new or used. I may get it nonetheless. It's a pity ther's not a kindle version.

 

[jeb]

I've also heard that in WWII the Germans hanged traitors using a piano wire and those victims were usually filmed; the description was called a 'rope dance'.

That was Allied propaganda. An interview with the hangman that executed Hitler's attempted assassins said he just used rope, but did film the hangings. It's believed someone with rank took the film for their private collection.

 

[djbear]

Hanged Guy - it is years since I saw a copy of The Hanging Tree. When I was in University, I used to sometimes slip into a carrell and read it instead of doing the work I should be doing,

 

[hangedguy]

That was Allied propaganda. An interview with the hangman that executed Hitler's attempted assassins said he just used rope, but did film the hangings. It's believed someone with rank took the film for their private collection.

That doesn't surprise me Jab. I never understood how piano wire would have made it take longer anyway. It might be a little nastier at first, causing some bleeding but they would have been finished just as quickly as with rope.

 

[hangedguy]

Hanged Guy - it is years since I saw a copy of The Hanging Tree. When I was in University, I used to sometimes slip into a carrell and read it instead of doing the work I should be doing,

I had to buy my own copy off Amazon. It must be widely available. It didn't cost me much.

 

[limone]

I am sure that long drop causes almost instantaneous unconsciousness. On the other hand, short drop or hoisting allows to be aware and feel pain for 10-30 seconds. Prolonged kicking, thrashing and convulsions are completely involuntary. If I was sentenced to death by hanging I would prefer hoisting, no hood, my wrist tight on the back. barefoot and barechested, wear only tight leggings.

 

[Norslad]

I would like to endure as long as posible. Ther is ways to do this and still have a proper hanging I think. Bindings and hood and a gallows.

The norse warriors pulled ther victimes up by first forcing down a tree branch, tying the noose the undoing the rope around the branch...

Taking away breath was a importaint part of the process. They impaled the victime to let the soul out of the body... Death two times.

 

[jeb]

I have passed out when play hanging and that happens in less than a minute because it is lack of blood supply to the brain. However, the victim might move and thrash around for much longer but they will not know it. Some people estimate the total death (cells die off) will take up to 30 to 45 minutes even though the heart may stop pumping at about 20 to 25 minutes. I suspect the Swedish guy may have been unconscious when he was flapping around or he might have grabbed the rope and saved himself.

You are correct. The body will thrash long after consciousness is lost.
Solo players have lost their lives because they believed some bullshit about hanging taking "minutes" when it's actually only seconds.

This is also why people die in police custody because they are "resisting arrest" long after they have passed out from chokeholds or compression asphyxiation (i.e., a fat cop kneeling or sitting on the victims torso).

 

[mainepoet]

There is a capital punishment website with a nice explanation of all the various options as tried over the ages which I found concise.

 

[gibing]

Love this intersting thread

 

[djbear]

I am sure that long drop causes almost instantaneous unconsciousness. On the other hand, short drop or hoisting allows to be aware and feel pain for 10-30 seconds. Prolonged kicking, thrashing and convulsions are completely involuntary. If I was sentenced to death by hanging I would prefer hoisting, no hood, my wrist tight on the back. barefoot and barechested, wear only tight leggings.

Exactly what I would like too.

 

[djbear]

There is a capital punishment website with a nice explanation of all the various options as tried over the ages which I found concise.

Do you want to post the URL here for us?

 

[djbear]

You are correct. The body will thrash long after consciousness is lost.
Solo players have lost their lives because they believed some bullshit about hanging taking "minutes" when it's actually only seconds.

This is also why people die in police custody because they are "resisting arrest" long after they have passed out from chokeholds or compression asphyxiation (i.e., a fat cop kneeling or sitting on the victims torso).

I know, having passed out after about 30-45 seconds - certainly less than a minute.

 

[limone]

djbear, could you tell us more about your real experiences?