bindiboi

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The other day I thought of a great idea everyone could do. This year wrap a small gift, like a small teddy bear (what I am doing), any other small toy, or if money is too tight, a short message. And place it under your Christmas tree for the 20 children killed in the Sandy Hooks Elementary shooting that took place last Friday. It is a symbol for the gifts and love these children could not receive this Christmas and the rest of their lives.
I'm not much of a symbolic guy, but this is one time I felt compelled to be a little symbolic.
 
The other day I thought of a great idea everyone could do. This year wrap a small gift, like a small teddy bear (what I am doing), any other small toy, or if money is too tight, a short message. And place it under your Christmas tree for the 20 children killed in the Sandy Hooks Elementary shooting that took place last Friday. It is a symbol for the gifts and love these children could not receive this Christmas and the rest of their lives.
I'm not much of a symbolic guy, but this is one time I felt compelled to be a little symbolic.

BRAVO, BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!
 
Possessing any type of firearms should be made illegal in the US....otherwise random shootings will continue regardless of the number of teddy bears you wrap this Christmas.
 
Possessing any type of firearms should be made illegal in the US....otherwise random shootings will continue regardless of the number of teddy bears you wrap this Christmas.

I agree completely.
But the news today was that some idiots actually advocate allowing the children to carry firearms so they can defend themselves! :facepalm::this isnt happening
 
Jesus Meat, it was just a gesture. One I am quite proud of.
 
Possessing any type of firearms should be made illegal in the US....otherwise random shootings will continue regardless of the number of teddy bears you wrap this Christmas.

Just making guns illegal WILL NOT WORK. Heroin is illegal, yet drug addicts and criminals still get it. Do you think that if they made guns illegal, the criminals will just go, "Oh well, not guns for me."? Fuck no! They will just go to the black market and the underground and get them anyways. Meanwhile leaving the law abiding citizens defensive less. Sure, I can get a bat, maybe even a tazer, but against a bullet they are shit.

If guns were illegal, Adam Larza would have found another way to murder.
 
Hi Bindiboi
People all around the world feel such sympathy for the families of the bereaved. The pain of loss after the death of anyone is so bad for families, but it is unimaginably bad for the parents of such young children. Your suggestion is a lovely way of giving physical expression to the sympathy that is in our minds.
What is more difficult to understand on this side of the Atlantic is the concept of everyone having guns to defend themselves against criminals, as you suggest later in answer to Meatpie. Sure, here in the UK, some criminals have guns; but we have police to catch criminals, and draconian sentences for possession, which persuade most criminals not to carry arms.
Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems like the US you’re less likely to be shot by a criminal than by a family member in a blind, momentary, rage, by a child by mistake, or by a nice chap living down the road who suddenly has a brainstorm. If there isn’t a gun to hand, then you might get hit by a thrown vase, or surprised by a child going ‘boo!’, or be punched on the nose in the street. In the US everyone seems to have a small arsenal of sophisticated weaponry. I would feel very uncomfortable living with my hand on the gun in my pocket, going round suspiciously eying my partner, my neighbour, my mother, the waiter in the restaurant, and every single stranger, knowing they too were armed, and were looking at you suspiciously, everyone wondering who was about to go mad and start shooting.
We employ soldiers to fight, and possibly die, to defend a life of freedom and peace. It would seem the least I can do is to run the miniscule risk of meeting an armed criminal, and the infinitesimally small risk of dying by being shot by a criminal, to avoid the carnage that comes from universal gun ownership. It would be my sacrifice to secure a civilised society, and I know that there is a good chance that the police, for whom I pay tax happily, would catch my murderer.
Besides which, ownership of a gun implies a willingness to kill, and to kill easily. Although in a fantasy world on the internet, I acknowledge the erotic potential of some forms of death, both personal and of others, I would never hurt another human being – or animal. (I can be a bit mean to plants, sometimes.) I would guess that is true of the majority of members here. The dark thoughts are exorcised in fantasy.
Sadly, it looks likely that, since gun control seems politically impossible in the US, the main target of legislation will be sites like this, violent video games, movies, and TV. I don’t know whether there is evidence that others are depraved and corrupted by images of death and violence. I don’t think I have been. How are things in Japan, where Manga violence seems fairly extreme, often perverted, and widely read? Artistic violence, though, is a soft target for politicians who want to be seen to take action but cannot deal with two of the key factors in murder: means – the mass possession of guns; and motive – the adverse effects on mental health of harsh divisions of race and wealth.
Bindiboi, I hope you don’t take offence at these comments. It’s not a criticism. We come from utterly different cultures. Bearing arms is a constitutional right, a symbol of freedom, on your side of the Atlantic. In the UK, I think most people feel uneasy about the few that do own guns, whether for competitive pistol target practice, or for shooting game. My biggest worry about the fallout from the recent event is that sites like this will be lost and that Hollywood war or murder movies will turn into old Batman movies (POW! KERRANG! WHAP!).
Oh well, what will be will be.
Merry Christmas to you and a happy New Year to all.
Marky.
 
leaving the law abiding citizens defensive less. Sure, I can get a bat, maybe even a tazer, but against a bullet they are shit.

If guns were illegal, Adam Larza would have found another way to murder.

:facepalmh:

Tell me you don't really think that....

I am now beginning to see why the US suffers from gun massacres every year, it's American mentality to keep an arsenal at home to "defend yourself".

Handed down generations it seems hard-wired into your brains.

Marky made an excellent point if you have respected and efficient police no one will have to keep guns at home.
 
First, No Marky I do not take offence to your comments. They were polite and well thought out. If I knew for sure your way worked, I would embrace it with gusto. I am just not sure they do here, at least not yet. Things need to change one thing at a time. First the banning of assault weapons. Then go from there and see how things play out.

Yes Meatpie, I do feel that way. But one correction, I don't think people need an arsenal. But if I want to keep a small caliber pistol then I should be able to. At least for now. And you are both right, if we had good and efficient police, things would be better. However, many of our police are corrupt and far from efficient.

I have no desire to hurt someone, but if someone breaks into my home and threatens my life or the life of someone I love, then I will do what I have to do to stop them. For the record, I actually do not own a gun. I used to years ago but sold it. I have a powerful pellet gun that will stop most people. I would love for them to make non-lethal guns that shot only wooden bullets to civilians. If they did that, they could then ban regular guns. That way civilians can be protected, and at the same time, take the lethality out of the situation. Could the criminals still get real guns? Sure. But most would rather avoid being shot at, even by wooden bullets and go after easier pray. For the more persistent criminals, I would put my aiming skills against theirs.
 
@Bindiboi and all Americans: I respect your opinion but vehemently disagree with it. So forgive me if I try to persuade you to ban firearms one more time. Your arguments are flawed, and here's why.

Just making guns illegal WILL NOT WORK.
YES IT WILL! We have enough hard evidence for that. I already pointed this out in an earlier post in this thread. Don't ignore hard facts!

Heroin is illegal, yet drug addicts and criminals still get it. Do you think that if they made guns illegal, the criminals will just go, "Oh well, not guns for me."? Fuck no! They will just go to the black market and the underground and get them anyways.
Yes, you're right, but it's beside the point. Of course professional criminals will easily get around strict gun laws. But this tragedy was not a drug war being fought out. This was an adolescent boy who took his mother's (!!!) guns to wreak the havoc he did. Do you think gangsters would do such a thing? The problem is that guns in the USA are so abundant that anyone who gets a mad moment can find one easily and abuse it to cause great harm. If mum would not have been allowed to have any gun at home this wouldn't have happened.

Meanwhile leaving the law abiding citizens defensive less. Sure, I can get a bat, maybe even a tazer, but against a bullet they are shit.
Exactly the reason to ban guns! The false feeling of safety from having a firearm is actually causing so many deaths per million inhabitants in the USA they have WAY the most casualties of all civilized countries.

If guns were illegal, Adam Larza would have found another way to murder.
I very much doubt that, and even if he had grabbed a kitchen knife he'd have done MUCH less damage.

So to all Americans I'd like to send this message:

It's the guns, stupid!
 
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Look, I am not an unreasonable, card carrying, NRA member. IF I knew that a gun ban would actually work in THIS country, I would be totally for it. Would it work? Maybe. But you go altering the constitution like that, you could be looking at a revolution in this country. People are already stockpiling guns and ammo with the thought that a gun ban might be enacted. I am content with my pellet gun. But I do ask this: What about those that hunt? There are still a lot of people that hunt for survival in rural areas in this country. You outlaw all guns, what are they supposed to hunt with? Not everybody can use a bow.

Piercedchest, I remain civil and polite in my comments. I only ask to be treated the same. Don't go lowering yourself calling me stupid. As I mentioned I am NOT unreasonable.
 
What about those that hunt? There are still a lot of people that hunt for survival in rural areas in this country.

:pass out:

Pics or other proof?

I thought hunter-gatherers no longer exist in the USA, most advanced nation on Earth ???
 
They are not too common, not the true ones anyways. There are people that claim to need to hunt, when in fact they just prefer it. In some rural places there are people that still live off the grid and do everything themselves. They farm and hunt. I feel that most of these people choose that lifestyle. I believe they have that right. Pics or Proof? No, it is just common knowledge. But I will try and dig around and see if I can find something for you. Problem is, because they tend to live off the grid, they can be hard to find.
 
Piercedchest, I remain civil and polite in my comments. I only ask to be treated the same. Don't go lowering yourself calling me stupid. As I mentioned I am NOT unreasonable.

Sorry Bindi, I didn't mean to insult you (or anyone else who disagrees with me), I was using the stock phrase "It's the ..., stupid!" as a summary statement not directed at anyone in particular. That phrase is used with many different things filled in on the dots. I think it was used first by Bill Clinton in one of his campaigns as "It's the economy, stupid!". It caught on as a good oneliner.
 
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