Craigie Boy

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If a psychotic paedophile started suffering from delusions that he was receiving messages from God - if he wrote a filthy book about how God had told him to make war on Mankind, conquering and enslaving all non-believers, how it was okay to subjugate women and stone them to death if they broke the rules, and how if you captured a man in battle it was fine and honourable to cut his throat - and if the readers of his filthy book founded a sect dedicated to putting his teachings into practice - then wouldn't any sane and civilised country ban that sect? Oh no, not if the sect was called Islam and the country was called Britain.

 
You lost me at psychotic paedophile, Craigie Boy. Am I correct when I guess that you are not a muslim, then?
 
Psychotic as in believing that the prime mover of the universe was sending him messages; paedophiliac as in consummating his marriage when his wife was only nine years old. "A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old."
 
Hey Craigie, nice to see you back posting. :hi bye:
 
Hi Meatpie. It's good to be back. :gentleman:
 
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Christianity is the same except that followers don't have enough balls to do what muslims have no qualms doing ... The trinity of the Abrahamic religions are the worst of the lot. In the US, the christians are the problem, not the muslims. We should ship them all to a deserted island and have them annihilate each other fighting for their same Abrahamic god. :aha
 
A couple of things jumped to mind on reading this thread....Note my background - I am not religious, but my parents arranged a 'classical' education including bible history and languages. I am not English...but was raised in and am presently based in the UK...and currently pay tax to the UK govt.

Point 1.... Craigie Boy touched a sore spot with me.. England is in the middle of a shambolic attempt to deport a religious extremist. These extremists laugh at the british govt and tie them in knots. The extremists who kill themselves and others with their bombs leave behind families knowing that the british govt will provide free homes, money..food.. education..all at the taxpayers expense..the UK has become an extremists paradise. In the middle of a recession I do resent that some (albeit a minority) have such expectations and I along with other taxpayers pick up a heavy bill.

Point 2 I am reminded of a saying attributed to Jesus "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" he was talking to an audience who were being oppressed by religious extremists. It seems we have not learned that lesson yet. Around the world it appears to me that religion of all sorts - have long since stopped being a force for good... perhaps the time has come to abolish all religions.
 
I am reminded of a saying attributed to Jesus "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" he was talking to an audience who were being oppressed by religious extremists. It seems we have not learned that lesson yet. Around the world it appears to me that religion of all sorts - have long since stopped being a force for good... perhaps the time has come to abolish all religions.

Jon, I think it was Gandhi who said "We'd all be Christian, but for the Christians", and it's more than 2,500 years since Euripides told the Athenians "If your gods tell you to do evil they are no gods." So I agree with you.

This is probably going to sound really arrogant, juvenile and stupid, but I think my necro fetish is giving me moral insights the bishops and the mullahs and the ayatollahs don't seem to have. I'm recognising in my personal fantasies the kind of murderous hunger and rage that burns inside the religious fanatics. I know it for what it is. It's like it's in most men to a greater or lesser degree, but I've got it under stricter control than many, because I know what it is to be a victim, because I've been a victim a thousand times, in my head. Does that make sense?

@mxboots888: No, the Christians don't have the balls to cut throats in the name of Jesus - they just have to make do with kicking the odd queer to death and praising God for sending the latest hurricane. No disrespect, but I would feel really scared if I lived in your country.
 
What really gets me is that gay people still promote the religion engine by setting up their own version of liberal christianity claiming that the Leviticus verses about homosexuality only applies to straight men who *choose* to sleep with other men. You can definitely spin the bible, koran, harry potter, whatever, any way that suits your agenda. For those who think that the Old Testament is antiquated, and that they only follow the New Testament which is much more touchy-feely, full of peace, love and tolerance, here are some that I like to quote from the NT -

Jesus said, "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth, I did not come to bring peace, but a sword" (Matthew 10:34 NIV) (Not very softspoken or peaceful is he?)

"For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, a man's enemies will be the members of his own household (Matthew 10:35-36 NIV) (Jesus is intent on breaking up families, isn't he?)

"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me" (Matthew 10:37-38 NIV) (So it's very clear that you have to love Jesus more than your parents or children to be worthy of him... How come you never hear this preached by the priests?)

John quotes Jesus' endorsement of not just the Mosaic Law but all Old Testament laws commanded by God - "Anyone who breaks one of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven" (John 5:1 NIV). Well there you have it, Jesus endorses all the atrocities in the OT including stoning a child to death because of disrespect to the child's parents; a father may sell his daugher (Exodus 21:7), that he may sacrifice her purity to a mob (Judges 19:24), etc. .... "For God said, Honour our father and mother and anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death" (Matthew 15:3-4 NIV)

This passage shatters the myth of a mild, peace-loving Jesus - "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be a king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me" (Luke 19:27 NIV) (What happened to Love thy neighbour and Love your enemies (Matthew 5:43-44 NIV)??)

Paul in Romans: "Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflammed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion" (Romans 1:25-26 NIV). (Who says the New Testament does not condemn homosexuals?)

Paul opines on what role women should have in the church: "Now I want you realize that the head of every man is Christ and the head of every woman is man and the head of Christ is God" (1 Corinthians 11:3 NIV) "As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to enquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the Church" (1 Corinthians 14:33-35NIV) (I guess this is the reason why the catholic church doesn't allow female priests)

Paul opines on marriage - "Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which is the Saviour. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything" (Ephesians 5:22-24 NIV) (Now don't you all think that this is definitely made from a male's perspective?. Paul really is intent on subjugating women doesn't he? Doesn't he speak on behalf of Jesus/god?)

Paul opines on slavery - "Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear and with sincerity in your heart, just as you would obey Christ" (Ephesians 6:5 NIV) (Another endorsement of slavery in the NT, not just the OT)

God's promise of doom for non-believers - "I want to remind you that the Lord delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 5-7 NIV) (Do you think that this is fair for those who don't believe, but live a fully moral and peaceful life? But I would rather be in tropical hell than worship some low self-esteem god that needs his ego stroked by his human puppets for eternity. How happy can one be doing that for eternity?)

Jesus curses a fig tree to death because it didn't bear fruit for him (Mark 11:13-14), and also casts demons into pigs and drowns them (mentioned in Matthew, Mark and Luke) (I guess Jesus is acting like a spoilt brat and also hates pigs. Is that why the Jewish/Islamic faiths forbid eating pork?)

Finally in Revelation, it mentions only 144,000 people would go to heaven (Rev 14). (What about the estimated few billion believers of the christian faith? Too bad I guess - do they all have to pick straws at the end of days?).
 
Faust:

And what are you that you live with Lucifer?

Mephistopheles:

Unhappy spirits that fell with Lucifer,
Conspir’d against our God with Lucifer,
And are for ever damn’d with Lucifer.


Faust:

Where are you damn’d?

Mephistopheles:

In hell.

Faust:

How comes it then that thou art out of hell?

Mephistopheles:

Why this is hell, nor am I out of it.
 
GENESIS 18

The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."

"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."

But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom - both young and old - surrounded the house. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."

Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them."


How's about that for moral guidance?


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i would love to be naked in front of these muslim men and see their reaction
 
Good one Craigie. There are so many *good* morals in the bible that I almost forgot about that one! ;)
 
I hear that Mount Popocatepetl's on the rampage again. God's judgement on what this time, I wonder. Abortion... sodomy.... voodoo...? No. I've got it! Chilli con carne!
 
Maybe god was upset with the Zetas taking away the limelight of his ancient murderous rampages
 
Lol. You mean like "Drown the world! Nuke Sodom! Kill the Canaanites! Turn the Nile into blood!"? God is love? Well I tell you what, I wouldn't want him for my fucking boyfriend. Can you imagine going out clubbing with him? He'd be going "Who you looking at, you fekkin tosser?" and "This curry tastes like shite!" and "Go screw yourself, you gentile motherfucker!" and "How much longer we going to be stuck here waiting for a bleeding taxi!" And he'd be fighting with the police and get himself pepper-sprayed and thrown in a cell and then whaaaam!!! That'd be Europe and North America wiped off the face of the Earth... (Oh fuck me, Mxboots, I'm going to hell for that for sure!)
 
Don't worry Craigie, I'd rather be in tropical hell with all my buds rather than having to worship a low self-esteem god for eternity. How fun is that? :th_smiley_eh:
 
Guess so. Mind you, wrestling with angels sounds kinda hot... but you and your buds and forty thousand Sodomites sound like you might know how to party. I'll join you down there.
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"GOD SAVE the QUEEN !!"

Aye, my ace of acest mates.

I've been reading for some now your passionate post here and in a few other CDG places your perspective on Moslems in Great Britain.

I have a number of other native-born British and UK mates who share with me thevery same concerns.

So I figure where there is SO MUCH SMOKE, there MUST be REAL FIRE. And it sodisturbs and saddens me, mate, IT SO DOES in EVERY TOTAL WAY.

For you see, mate, though a few hundred years ago us Yanks and yous Brits had a family disagreement, it was all because yous had a crazy king that many of yous also greatly despised.

Many in Parliament at the time agreed with us Yanks about him but that king would not listen to anyone except his own very not so merry and sick minded/sick bodied self.

The overwhelming majority of Americans have forgiven and moved beyond all of this in the two plus centuries since. And WE CARE very much about our British and UK mates as yous are our closest allies in the world in every way, yous guys ARE our truest, truest mates.

Get this, my sterling NOBLE mate: we admire yous so that our public television channel right here in Chicagoland which is one of the MEGA PBS (Public Broadcasting System) networks in the ENTIRE US of A is airing this program this very week !!

"THE BRITISH ARE COMING"
-- A Celebration of All Things British !!
http://www.wttw.com/main.taf?p=65,3,10

So there you have IT, mate. We here in Chicagoland overwhelmingly ADORE and LOVE our mates in Britain ! We so so so do in EVERY WAY, mate!

So mate, I am WITH YOU on ALL of this alarm and agony you are expressing here about the TOTAL WRECKING of British society. I am so very heartfelt concerned about all of this, mate .. I see this as TRAGIC beyond TRAGIC in every way.

Tell me, mate .. how can we here in the US of A help our prime British mates with this Moslem attack upon your Great, Noble and Good Society??

GOD SAVE the QUEEN !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN9EC3Gy6Nk
"... SCATTER Her ENEMIES and MAKE them FALL!
Confound their politics, frustrate their knavish tricks ..."















GOD SAVE the QUEEN
and GOD SAVE GREAT BRITAIN from
ALL unholy, wretched infidels!!

 
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