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    Quote Originally Posted by alexonedeath View Post
    I remember a high school teacher telling us that Shakespeare's works were not meant to be read; they were plays, meant to be watched. I've often wondered if that teacher was slightly full of shit. Everybody reads Shakespeare, but maybe that's because nobody wants to wait until the play comes to town. Anyway, I like the harpsichord, which is meant to be HEARD.

    Also, while we are on the subject of Shakespeare, what answer do YOU give to the question that's been batted around for centuries: Who REALLY wrote Shakespeare's plays? I think that is a puzzle almost as compelling as finding the true identity of "Jack the Ripper".
    My good AlexOne,

    You say you had a high school teacher who said that Shakespeare's works are not to be read as they are plays, meant to be watched ... and for this, you thought your high school teacher may
    "slightly full of shit."

    Hence, I beseech you, my good AlexOne, to try this out:

    Read this prose from Shakespeare's RICHARD III,
    Act One, Scene One, as presented by Richard, the Duke of Gloucester:


    "Now is the winter of our discontent

    Made glorious summer by this son of York;
    And all the clouds that low’r’d upon our house

    In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
    Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths,

    Our bruised arms hung up for monuments,
    Our stern alarums chang’d to merry meetings,
    Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.
    Grim-visag’d War hath smooth’d his wrinkled front;
    And now, in stead of mounting barbed steeds
    To fright the souls of fearful adversaries,
    He capers nimbly in a lady’s chamber
    To the lascivious pleasing of a lute.
    But I, that am not shap’d for sportive tricks,
    Nor made to court an amorous looking-glass;
    I, that am rudely stamp’d, and want love’s majesty
    To strut before a wanton ambling nymph;
    I, that am curtail’d of this fair proportion,
    Cheated of feature by dissembling nature,
    Deform’d, unfinish’d, sent before my time
    Into this breathing world, scarce half made up,
    And that so lamely and unfashionable
    That dogs bark at me as I halt by them—
    Why, I, in this weak piping time of peace,
    Have no delight to pass away the time,
    Unless to see my shadow in the sun
    And descant on mine own deformity.

    And therefore, since I cannot prove a lover
    To entertain these fair well-spoken days,
    I am determined to prove a villain ....."


    Now, AlexOne, listen to these same words ACTED out:



    Now you tell me, my good AlexOne:

    Which is the most powerful, the words READ or the words ACTED out IN the very play itself ?


    As for the debate who actually wrote Shakespeare, I will share my thoughts on that here soon and also whether or not Shakespeare was GAY.

    See also this link, for my comments about our new budding very own CDG Shakespeare, such a great feat:


    https://cutedeadguys.net/threads/581...ale-Feet/page4
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArrowMan View Post

    Which is the most powerful, the words READ or the words ACTED out IN the very play itself ?
    You're right, ArrowMan -- no contest! In the '60s, there wasn't an easy way to make such a powerful comparison, but I have no excuse for not having seen the light since. I owe you thanks for pointing it out...and my teacher an apology. :\
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    I love singing too!! I like divas form any country...

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    ArrowMan loves all things musical, including singing divas.
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    Happy
    242nd Birthday

    America!
    YES,
    it has now been
    242 years
    that the United States of America

    declared INDEPENDENCE
    from a tyrannical British King
    and became a nation
    on

    July 4, 1776

    GOD BLESS
    America

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    one and only
    Kate Smith
    on the eve
    of
    World War Two
    in 1938


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1rKQReqJZg
    this rendition will KNOCK your SOCKS right off !
    Composed by the legendary IRVING BERLIN in 1918


    ~~ Happy
    July 4th ~~



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-7XWhyvIpE


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    This is such a colorful birthday greeting, ArrowMan, and you've provided the perfect music to accompany it! Kate Smith was a powerhouse singer and larger than life (Kelly Clarkson is following in her footsteps). I do enjoy hearing military music on patriotic holidays. So, thank you for putting together this celebratory post.
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    I think one of the problems we have with Shakespeare is that we are compelled to study him at school and the teaching is often done by teachers with no real interest in the subject. Thus we fail to relate to him and his works. When we study him at a more advanced level then we often begin to appreciate him a little more.
    Some years ago I spent a lot of time near Stratford and was privileged to be able to attend productions at the royal Shakespeare company. And watching many of the plays performed on stage helped me to appreciate what a great playwright he was.
    And that of course is what we often forget, shakespeare wrote for performance, not for study. Indeed I remember a story, i think by Asimov, when Shakespeare was brought back and enrolled in an English literature class. The poor guy failed��
    Incidentally the same comments could equally made about mozart and other great composers. Music is meant to be enjoyed and listened to and those modernists whose music looks great on paper but horrid in the ear bring nothing of value to the party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindier View Post
    I think one of the problems we have with Shakespeare is that we are compelled to study him at school and the teaching is often done by teachers with no real interest in the subject. Thus we fail to relate to him and his works.
    RIGHT -- too many teachers hate their job, or, at best, are indifferent to it. Also, if they've been teaching for years, they end up hating their students as well. It all adds up to a piss-poor school experience for everyone. Real learning takes place only when it is actively sought by the student, and that does not even require a school or a teacher.
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    Arrowman, did you ever listen to John Adams' memorial work for 9/11, "On the Tramsmigration of Souls"? I have a CD of it being performed by the New York Philharmonic, but I regret I don't have an online link to it handy. It's a breathtaking piece.
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    The Mikado

    A wet afternoon with nothing really to do was an opportunity to browse YouTube. And I came across the 1966 d’oyly carte film of the Mikado. It was a straight transcription of the stage production of the time with donald Adams, Kenneth Sandford and the incomparable John Reed conducted by Isadore Godfrey. Clearly dated but so evocative of happy youthful afternoons in the theatre.
    Now I know that Gilbert and Sullivan isn’t everyone’s cup of tea but accept the poor sound, the fading film and Victorian attitudes and this is a wonderful way of spending a couple of hours.
    And without giving a spoiler I think it fair to say that the hero avoids beheading at the hand of the Lord High Executioner.

    Watch and enjoy.
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    Lindier, are you able to supply a link to the film, so that we are sure to see exactly the one you mean?
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    Sorry. The only clue I can give is that it is described as a video and that it was filmed in 1966. The poor quality of the film should give it away together with the cut glass english accents.
    To be fair I don’t think there is any danger of confusion.
    And also it’s a great production for anyone with an interest in Gilbert and Sullivan. It was probably when the d’oyly carte hadn’t started their sad decline into oblivion.
    Hope you manage to find it, it’s well worth watching.
    And if you can post the link then congratulations and thanks.
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    I think this should be it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_DlC4n9CFQ
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    Thanks deaddirty for posting the link.
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