View Poll Results: Is it ok to help someone end their life if they are in tremendous pain or sick?

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    I think it's common decency to help but countries need to have show sympathy and let people make their own choices about their own lives.. I find forcing a human being live a life knowing their disease will kill them and forcing them to have to endure it right to the last breath very very inhuman.. No animal on the face of this earth gets treated with such abuse.. I understand the right to life but one should have the right to die in circumstances such as this.. Forcing them to endure it when they want to die is cruelty.. I am not saying family members are cruel but the country is.. A family member should never have to be put in that position but that is always the case and its really sad because as i say.. no animal gets treated like this it gets put out of its misery and it dont even have a say on the matter...

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    IT`S A HORRIBLE THING TO DO BUT IF THERE`S NO CURE OR THERE`S LITTLE HOPE OF GETTING BETTER AND THE PATIENT WANTS TO END IT THEN YES

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    Just my take on the subject:
    When the founding fathers of our nation drafted the Declaration of independence, they listed our inalienable rights as Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. These words were written in a time when it was common for a man to fight a duel over matters of honor, and even take his own life to save his family shame in cases of crime or scandal. In short, They also believed a man should also have the right to choose his own death and the liberty to carry it out if he thought he'd be happier for it. I don't recall the rights of hospitals, hospices, nursing homes and drug companies to get rich as they keep a person alive at the expense of everything that man has earned for himself and the future of his family.

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    if you think you could do it I have so much support for you as I could never do that to someone I know and love. It is probably selfish of me but I would want to spend as much time as I possibly could but at the same time want them to have peace. I can't begin to say how I would handle the situation because I have never been there and hope I never have to.

    The human race in my opinion is a disgrace. They have so much sympathy for ANIMALS and will put them out of their misery in a second and yet leave a HUMAN BEING to suffer and die coked up on all sorts of A class drug substitutes until the moment they pass. You probably don't even know who you are and where you are weeks before you actually do find peace..I think the system needs to change and professionals should put people out of their misery when they are dying and cannot be saved and so OBVIOUSLY suffering.. As I said we show animals more dignity and compassion than each other..

    I couldn't personally kill an animal either but America for example will put a human down for killing another person so it should show similiar albeit sympathetic not hatred approach to the terminally ill and fulfill the wish to die peacefully if they want to.. To refuse that I think shows their death penalty is not peaceful because they would back it up as an option if it was.

    Wish you all the best in the world and cannot fathom the difficulty of your situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meatpie View Post
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    I have no problem with a person ending his life for what ever reason. Think Soilent Green. I know that isn't spelled right.

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    As one who taught ethics, the correct word as was noted is Euthanasia and it is usually broken down into two understandings: Active versus passive. Passive means simply letting nature take its course without medical intervention, in other words DNR (do not resuscitate) or allow for artificial means to keep them alive. This one rarely gets much debate because most tend to see this as the "easier" one to understand because you are simply letting nature take its course without trying to keep them artificially alive especially when there is no medical hope for them to resume their normal life as they would want. This part makes it important for everyone to have a living will to make your wishes known in that matter. The one which is hotly debated and is more the topic of this thread is Active Euthanasia where you are calling on a medical provider to either administer the medication to hasten death or to at least provide it for you. This one tends to stir up very deep and passionate understandings in people particularly with those in the religious community who believe God to be the author of life and the only one who can decide when life should end. I personally believe that everyone has a right to determine and make decisions over their own life especially if we are dealing with a terminal illness with no medical chance of recovery. Anyway, just my two cents. LOL

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    I'm a firm believer in comfort care, and if that care speeds the onset of death, it is for the good. I've known people that have gone both ways, and I felt better for those who found final relief than those who suffered to the bitter end.
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    There is a major debate going on in the u.k. on this subject at the time being. A bill was introduced into the House of Lords by a former lord chancellor, Lord falconer, to make assisted dying easier. It involved safeguards including certification by two doctors that the disease was terminal and that the applicant was, or would be in considerable pain. Unfortunately the bill was lost when the general election intervened before it was passed.
    I think that such assisted suicide is acceptable but would oppose it unless a doctor is involved. Certainly no member of the family or close friend should ever carry out the killing, apart from the possibility of undue pressure imagine the guilt you would carry for the rest of your life however honourable and genuine your motives.
    And I think there are many cases where doctors have prescribed excess doses of opiates knowing that they are likely to shorten life even though the intended object is to dull pain. Good for them!!!

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    I for one plan to commit suicide should i ever be diagnosed with a terminal illness, before it gets to the point where im suffering too much. Save myself and my loved ones the pain of suffering through it. So i say hell yes, if a terminally ill person wants to get it over with and die now, then killing them would be a mercy. Its wrong, in my opinion to make anyone suffer through the horrors that await them during a terminal illness. Hell if some polititian were to propose mandatory euthanasia immedately upon such a diagnosis, i would support it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amatlock2778 View Post
    I for one plan to commit suicide should i ever be diagnosed with a terminal illness, before it gets to the point where im suffering too much. Save myself and my loved ones the pain of suffering through it. So i say hell yes, if a terminally ill person wants to get it over with and die now, then killing them would be a mercy. Its wrong, in my opinion to make anyone suffer through the horrors that await them during a terminal illness. Hell if some polititian were to propose mandatory euthanasia immedately upon such a diagnosis, i would support it.
    There is no way I would support compulsory euthanais for any group. In fact (particularly as a disabled person myself) I find the idea deeply offensive - that was Nazi policy for any 'unfit' group including disabled and 'mentally ill'.
    If my own condition ever deteriorates to the point where i have lost the quality of life which makes it worth living, permanently, then yes I would want to end it in my own time and way rathet than suffer. But that is my choice - others in a similar position may well choose dfferently, and it would be utterly wrong to force euthanasia on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deaddirty View Post
    There is no way I would support compulsory euthanais for any group. In fact (particularly as a disabled person myself) I find the idea deeply offensive - that was Nazi policy for any 'unfit' group including disabled and 'mentally ill'.
    If my own condition ever deteriorates to the point where i have lost the quality of life which makes it worth living, permanently, then yes I would want to end it in my own time and way rathet than suffer. But that is my choice - others in a similar position may well choose dfferently, and it would be utterly wrong to force euthanasia on them.
    I didnt mean quite like that, what i meant was only if it were a condition that WILL lead to unbearable suffering, intolerable quality of life, eventual death. A person with disability of some sort, but a reasonable expectation for decent, happy, normal life expectancy otherwise would not be subject to it until/ unless their condition deteriorates to a point where theres no hope of recovering a reasonable degree of happy, pain and suffering free life quality, such as u mentioned. Sorry for any offense my original statement may have caused.

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    "Is it ok to kill someone if they: 1. - Want to die. 2. - Are in horrible pain. 3. - They will NEVER recover or be normal again."

    Answers: 1. Yes - 2. Yes - 3. Yes
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    Thanks Amatlock.
    I still disagree that COMPULSORY euthanasia can ever be acceptable - it should be for the person to decide whether to endure pain and dreadful quality of life, or not, and where the point is where he or she wishes to end it. And with good modern medical treatment there are few conditions where those things are inevitable from the point of terminal diagnosis. Both my parents died from cancer in a hospice and though things were not always easy for them I have no doubt that their quality of life was 'better alive and dead' until very close to the point hen they finally lst consciousness (which was induced for one to avoid what would have been horrible suffering, but natural for the other). My choice, with no close family, would proably be different.
    If you're kissing Death make sure you've got a blue protruding tongue.
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    According to the Declaration of Independence, We all have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Remember these words were written in a time were a man could choose to fight a duel over a matter of honor, or take his own life for the sake of his family. By extrapolation, We should have the right to end our own lives and the liberty to carry it out if we think we'll be happier for it. For many, there's a big difference between being alive and living.
    After more than 5 years of Dialysis, my father decided to stop his treatments. He was dead in a few days. Everyone in the family respected his decision. No one was prosecuted for it.

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